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Some pictures to show the goodness of labor outsourcing

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WTF is going on ?

The issue is two-fold for Detroit.

1. Wall Street wants cheap labor, so jobs are going to leave the U.S. Workers in the U.S. cannot compete with workers making a dollar an hour with no benefits and minimal health or safety regs. Period, you simply cannot compete.

2. The automaker management and the unions f*cked themselves. Really. Of all the U.S. industries that woke up late to their own bullsh*t, the auto industry is at the TOP of the list.

Everyone knows I am a major outsourcing opponent, but the U.S. auto industry (management and unions) failed to get a clue when it was staring them in the face starting 20 years ago. My sympathy for the U.S. auto industry is fairly well limited to my concern with losing the industrial base, not sympathy so much for the industry as a whole.

Outsourcing wouldn't be a problem if we had good retraining programs for workers. Denmark for example has greatly benefited from outsourcing over the years. Instead of spending tons of money for work some child in China could do, they continuously retrains their labor force for growing industries.

I agree wholeheartedly with speeder's two issues, however I'd like to add another darker(taboo) point of contention...

The demographic shift, aka "white flight", should not be ignored either. The start of this phenomena also predates the loss of blue collar jobs associated with decline of American manufacturing + auto industry stupidity.

^^ wow. That is a very fast shift in demographics.. wow.

I'm not sure where you pointing at Beefy with this graph.
Are blacks responsible for business outsourcing by rich WASPs just by being blacks ?

No, that's not what I was trying to imply/insinuate... The rich would have outsourced the jobs regardless of race(IMO speeder's 1st issue adequately covers this). I even mentioned that the demographic shift(starting in the 50s) predates America's outsourcing pandemic - thus the two events do not correlate and suggesting blacks are responsible for the outsourcing is irrelevant/a red herring. Detriot looks like a ghetto because it's inhabitants have no drive or work ethic. They are content to live on the dole for all eternity. That is what I was suggesting, if you want to see the true extent of Detriot's abject ghetto state just browse youtube... Maybe I'm being unfair here, but I think there is plenty blame to go around(and a certain group is -somehow- always above reproach). As a tangent, I'm only half WASP, and no my ancient WASP ancestors did not own a single slave - they were too poor/indentured servants.

I agree with about the Unions, and you can see how our airlines fair against others like the asian airlines. Of all the airlines I fly the asian based ones have far better seats, far better planes, far better service. Its night and day.

Regarding competing. It is from a lack of Western Countries mostly, standing up and embargoing goods made under lesser conditions than we expect of our own. They allow goods to be imported that we would not allow to be manufactured under those conditions. Well no duh you cant compete. This of course is done so that a certain country will fund our debt, that keeps growing.

Want to know what the effects of long term stimulus spending when you are in debt is? You are looking at it.

Just wait until Social Security comes to a head, think it looks bad now?

When a majority of the 76 million or so baby boomers are retired things will get interesting, IMO.



This is also another good point.

Well this can't last forever. At some point US will turn into what China used to be and what Russia is now. WTF is going on ?

The rich/puppet masters don't care they'll just move on when s*** hits the fan, so to speak... What's worse, the bulk of the American people are content to believe that, somehow/someway, things will magically work themselves out. La La land, Vacancies : none.

Pretty much. Corporations are the purist example of self-preservation--if globalism kills the U.S., they'll simply uproot and move their entire operation to a more suitable country. All the stockholders and even lesser peons, however, will be under sh*t mountain without a shovel.

People really do delude themselves into thinking recessions come and go, and we're just in a downturn at present. They can't possibly believe that things have irrevocably changed, and 2002's recession, or 1981's recession isn't anything like what we're seeing now. Take the long view for once, guys. If you think 10% unemployment is the worst of the storm you're in for a rude awakening.

Good analysis. This is nothing like past recessions.

This is the big one:



P.S. That is change in employment.

What exactly could they have done to keep jobs in Detroit? Your answer in #1 seems to belie any change the unions could possibly make; they were bound to fail.

Saturn is a wonderful example. GM management cliques and the union effectively colluded to prevent any "innovation" that threatened their spheres of control. The result was the strong start experienced by Saturn was smothered and the innovation it offered, which could have made a difference had it taken off, never happened.

In general, the unions fought any changes that threatened their unsustainable labor deals and the automaker management refused to innovate, sitting on their asses while the Japanese out-engineered them. Both groups fought the introduction of strong modern statistical quality control methods, which is ironic because these methods were invented by Americans but ultimately adopted by the Japanese, to the detriment of American companies too set in their ways.

Outside of the unions F*** themselves over, our government could have put trade restrictions or at least huge taxes on goods made under such uncompetitive conditions and/or with child labor. Either that or remove all of our laws and regulations that make us uncompetitive.