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Rangel has been putting this bill forward since 2003 with little success... Why can't he get the message?

lolol. I can see Thunder packing his bags.. Canada is probably nice this time of year.

Its actually not something I disagree with. I think our benefits in this country should be tiered, and service should be a requirement to get the best.

I think 2 years would be sufficient.

Why bring this up now? In peace time, I would support a policy like this, although I question the requirement to see combat during wartime. However, with the current wars abroad I become a little suspicious at the timing. The last thing we need is to give the president an unlimited amount of troops to draw upon. We already have 100,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and 125,000 in Iraq. We had 300,000 troops in South Korea and over 500,000 in Vietnam. The COIN strategy McCrystal was following and championed by Patreaus reads straight out of the vietnam playbook. It is the exact definition of large scale nation-building. How much more blood and treasure need to be consumed before we realize the failures of this policy?

Imagine that, you would support it in peace time.

Like I said, the issue is timing. Although, I would still be opposed to forced combat. No person or state should ever have the power to put my life in mortal danger against my will.

I would agree with you 99 times out of 100... Many/most of our past and current wars have nothing to do with "defending" America. However, on the off chance that we truly find ourselves face to face with say China(a la Fallout), then I think every able body should defend their family, home, friends, ect. But barring an actual invasion I'd have to agree with you. F*** the middle east.

But taking someones money and wealth that they used their life and time to accumulate, that's OK with you.



If there is no conscientious objection to taxation, I do not think there should be any for combat either.

Yes. The government provides lots of services such as transportation, energy infrastructure, safety, national defense, education, etc. None of these services are free and must be paid for. Taxes are just and Constitutional:

17th amendment: "The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises."


I see a large difference between paying taxes and facing mortal danger. But that's just me.

Why go the length of conscription? If the country is fighting a war worth fighting, don't you have faith the American people will recognize this? Why not let people judge for themselves? Also, you are neglecting that a law like this is guaranteed to come under abuse.

Same logic can be applied to all of them government "services" they tax for.

hell yeah !!! more youngsters to die for some rich dick

And youngsters dying regardless of war because of rich dicks, and dying regardless of rich dicks. Except the wars that have been fought because of the motivations of the rich dicks have actually lead humanity to a better standard of living. Where those who are dying not because war are still dying because of rich dicks starving them or in some other way interfering with their ability to do commerce.

Sounds like it really doesnt matter.

Besides, arent you on the side of people who complain there are too many people using too many resources?

Hell yeah. Smoking/drinking/drugs/perverted relationships take millions of lifes annually w/o a single shot.
If you want people to take their own lives in vast numbers you don't call it suicide. you call it extreme living. And young idiots will go for it
And war is a racket. And tbh I don't care what military has to tell about this.



Not sure I get the question here.

F*** this sh1t! I can't see how anyone who wants to reign in the power of the federal government would hand them even more in the form of "Universal National Service". This is not service to the nation but service to the idiots in Washington and the people who special interests who control them.

The best part of our volunteer military is that people can vote for wars with their feet. If its a bullsh1t war people can just stop enlisting. With service that is required, there is no control over wars from the people who have to fight them.

Yes lets all join the federal government and learn to think and act the same way and obey. And we can just make those who resist 2nd class citizens.

The threat to our freedom is internal. You'll see who is really prepared to defend our freedom if this sh1t goes down.

Didn't seem to be this way prior to Vietnam. The country did nothing but grow, and no one ended up thinking or acting the same.

Vietnam is the point where we had both the draft and a bullsh1t war. People who couldn't get a deferment were fighting in a war they might not have actually supported. The results were mixed. Now we have a professional volunteer military where people can choose. I believe it keeps the politicians in check by not giving them unlimited bodies to go along with their blank checks. The people who actually fight can vote with their feet.

I really doubt many folks in Detroit or many other places with outsourced manufacturing have that many options to choose from. Also how many people in US can actually afford good education ? Many go to army just because they can get free education and degree and decent salary.
It's not their choice - it's the system which brought this choice upon them. Plus all the BS supremacy propaganda.
People need to survive and the masters using this.

That is some condescending BS right there. They make a choice. Maybe they make a choice based on their own economic self interests rather than something more noble, but its still a choice. I trust those individuals more, and would rather let them make the choice for themselves rather than our politicians.

Right so it's either drug dealing, walmart or duty...hmm that's some choice right there

I grew up just above the poverty line. And while I did join the services, the education benefits for the National Guard essentially paid for gas. I had no scholarship, I had no one to pay but me taking out a loan. Considering I am a white male, I had less opportunity than any minority to pay for my education.

If I can do it, anyone can. Everything else is propaganda and s***.

So you guys agree that spending billions on foreign affairs instead of educating Americans in America is better cause ?
WTF is wrong with you people ?

If you have a stunning lack of imagination ... then yes.

But isn't that exactly what many youngsters think nowadays ? After all the "Get rich or die trying" propaganda no one really wants to study.
I work in US company and some people are simply not fit not only for what they are doing, but even for simplest tasks of packing a dam box properly. I understand not everyone wants/needs university degree but where in hell is common sense nowadays ?

Simply having the option to enlist or not, voting with your feet, will never be sufficient. Whether you support the conflict you will always be supporting the funding through compulsory taxes.

If you do not agree with the conflict your only true moral choice would be to physically leave the country, or to not pay any taxes and face the consequences of those actions. Anything else is just blabbering.