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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:39 am 
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President Barack Obama, who rocketed to the White House promising "change you can believe in," is now telling voters they shouldn't change a thing.

His message for the fall elections, which are looking ominous for his Democrats, is that Republicans caused the nation's economic troubles, but he and the Democrats are starting to fix them. So stick with the Democrats and don't go back to the GOP.

"This is a choice between the policies that led us into the mess or the policies that are leading out of the mess," Obama said recently in Las Vegas.

Trouble is, it's a tough sell to voters who've seen little progress.

Unemployment is stuck near double digits and polls show many voters have decided Obama's policies are to blame, not his predecessor's.

Obama often frames the argument by saying that Republicans had their chance to drive, then drove the car into a ditch and shouldn't get the keys back. But voters may be concluding that Democrats, who control the White House and both chambers of Congress, have had their chance at the wheel, too, and haven't gotten very far.

"From the American public's point of view, the people in charge at this point are the people who own the problem," said Andrew Kohut, head of the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.

Obama's challenge for the next four months is to turn that perception around.

So he's traveled, from Buffalo, N.Y., to San Francisco, reminding voters of the mess he faced when he took office: a shrinking economy, lost jobs, weak markets, an economic crisis becoming international in scope.

Now, even though unemployment hasn't dropped to the 8 percent level the administration once projected, the economy is gradually picking up and adding jobs, the president says. Putting Republicans in power, he contends, would reverse the momentum.

But the White House knows it can't just be about blaming George W. Bush, though the former president's enduring unpopularity helps Obama's case. Obama must try to take it a step further and get voters to view Republicans now running for office as little more than extensions of Bush who would advance the ex-president's same policies.

"This isn't about relitigating history," said Obama senior adviser David Axelrod. "This is about history repeating itself."

Will the strategy work in an election year roiling with anti-incumbent sentiment? That's not yet clear, though it hasn't appeared to boost Democrats' standing much so far. Midterm elections typically deal a drubbing to the president's party anyway, and for Democrats it could mean losing control of the House.

Republicans say they intend to keep the focus on Obama's policies, which they cast as deficit-busting, big-government boondoggles. "Democrats can attempt to spin it any way they want, but unfortunately for them this election is going to be a referendum on the president and his party's failed economic policies," said Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee.

But Obama's pickings were slim when it came to campaign themes.

The narrative that worked so well when Obama was a presidential candidate offering himself as a transformational figure who could change Washington is no longer at his disposal. He can hardly claim to have delivered on that promise because he hasn't changed Washington, at least not much, as he's acknowledged.

Obama's stacked up a remarkable, if controversial, string of legislative successes, from last year's economic stimulus bill to the health care law and now the financial overhaul bill. But his vaunted eloquence on the campaign trail has often seemed to desert him as he's tried to sell those policies to the public. To the 14.6 million people out of work nothing else much matters anyway.

At the same time, the desire for change that Obama helped ignite is still burning. But this time it may work against him. As Bush recognized shortly before leaving office, calling for change is a luxury denied to incumbents...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:09 pm 
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B.HO is an idiot imo and can't GTFO soon enough for me. I predict he will loose the next election by the widest margin in US history, as well as hold the title of worst president in US history, forever.

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You know, blaming Bush at this point is only counterproductive to the lib agenda. Democrats are now shooting themselves in the foot by constantly conjuring up Bush. At some point, you own your failures whether you like it or not. It doesn't matter, though, because Obama was never meant to be a two term President. He doesn't need two terms. Notice how quickly he jumped on health care reform, essentially as soon as he was elected, rather than focus on immediate problems like the economy. No, the economy is a secondary concern to health care and always was. His handlers know he'll never be elected to a second term--the honeymoon was over before it started. But either way, it'll take at least a good 20 years to undo the havoc Bush III and his Congressional lapdogs here have wreaked.

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Wouldn't you say he inherited the worst financial crisis since 1929? This is what he gets for going with a measly stimulus package.

Obviously he didn't learn enough from the history books. Meanwhile, China's stimulus package was 13% of GDP vs. 4.9% of GDP in the US. Hmm, has anyone looked at China recently? Or how about Japan? They had a large stimulus package as well and growing at a brisk 5% vs. our sluggish 2.5% for the first half of 2010. Their stimulus package was about 10% of GDP. Are you starting to see a pattern? Oh, and I can GUARANTEE you they pay lower interest on their debt than Ireland. :boozer: :boozer: :boozer:

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse
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Wouldn't you say he inherited the worst financial crisis since 1929?


Obviously. And Clinton created the best economy we've seen in decades AND gave us a budget surplus! :tease:

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Wouldn't you say he inherited the worst financial crisis since 1929?


Obviously. And Clinton created the best economy we've seen in decades AND gave us a budget surplus! :tease:

Is that a yes? :bong:

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse
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thunderstruck wrote:
Wouldn't you say he inherited the worst financial crisis since 1929?

He is the worst financial crisis since 1929.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse
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dengyong wrote:
thunderstruck wrote:
Wouldn't you say he inherited the worst financial crisis since 1929?

He is the worst financial crisis since 1929.


Again you applying this so-called "crisis" to a single person. Obama is just a puppet. Just like Bush was. He's not the decision maker. This crisis and all the other crisis in 19th and 20th century were artificially constructed.
Now people have yet another thing to fear so they work they asses off instead of holding their breath and looking at the picture from bird's height. They simply don't have time nor will for this. They keep hoping that this new guy will make the difference. No he will not and he's not put there to make one. Populous still stuck at political concepts when all the power is way above this shyte you call elections.

As for Clinton being responsible for greatest economical growth in US - it's just another bunch of bull. While US was "raising" in economy entire eastern europe was paying for it plus some other colonies under US corporations added to the basket of American consumer goodies.

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He is the worst financial crisis since 1929.


Again you applying this so-called "crisis" to a single person. Obama is just a puppet. Just like Bush was. He's not the decision maker. This crisis and all the other crisis in 19th and 20th century were artificially constructed.
Now people have yet another thing to fear so they work they asses off instead of holding their breath and looking at the picture from bird's height. They simply don't have time nor will for this. They keep hoping that this new guy will make the difference. No he will not and he's not put there to make one. Populous still stuck at political concepts when all the power is way above this shyte you call elections.

As for Clinton being responsible for greatest economical growth in US - it's just another bunch of bull. While US was "raising" in economy entire eastern europe was paying for it plus some other colonies under US corporations added to the basket of American consumer goodies.

Pay attention, I've said many times that when we say obama, we mean everyone with their hand up his ass.

The clinton thing was sarcasm.

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dengyong wrote:
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Again you applying this so-called "crisis" to a single person. Obama is just a puppet. Just like Bush was. He's not the decision maker. This crisis and all the other crisis in 19th and 20th century were artificially constructed.
Now people have yet another thing to fear so they work they asses off instead of holding their breath and looking at the picture from bird's height. They simply don't have time nor will for this. They keep hoping that this new guy will make the difference. No he will not and he's not put there to make one. Populous still stuck at political concepts when all the power is way above this shyte you call elections.

As for Clinton being responsible for greatest economical growth in US - it's just another bunch of bull. While US was "raising" in economy entire eastern europe was paying for it plus some other colonies under US corporations added to the basket of American consumer goodies.

Pay attention, I've said many times that when we say obama, we mean everyone with their hand up his ass.


So essentially you agree with Cooper that Obama's defeat in the next election won't mean much since the hand up his butt will simply go into the next puppet?

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dengyong wrote:
Cooper wrote:

Again you applying this so-called "crisis" to a single person. Obama is just a puppet. Just like Bush was. He's not the decision maker. This crisis and all the other crisis in 19th and 20th century were artificially constructed.
Now people have yet another thing to fear so they work they asses off instead of holding their breath and looking at the picture from bird's height. They simply don't have time nor will for this. They keep hoping that this new guy will make the difference. No he will not and he's not put there to make one. Populous still stuck at political concepts when all the power is way above this shyte you call elections.

As for Clinton being responsible for greatest economical growth in US - it's just another bunch of bull. While US was "raising" in economy entire eastern europe was paying for it plus some other colonies under US corporations added to the basket of American consumer goodies.

Pay attention, I've said many times that when we say obama, we mean everyone with their hand up his ass.

The clinton thing was sarcasm.


This hardly changes anything. Those in white house following the orders of their masters - not the people they supposedly represent.

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Wouldn't you say he inherited the worst financial crisis since 1929? This is what he gets for going with a measly stimulus package.

Obviously he didn't learn enough from the history books. Meanwhile, China's stimulus package was 13% of GDP vs. 4.9% of GDP in the US. Hmm, has anyone looked at China recently? Or how about Japan? They had a large stimulus package as well and growing at a brisk 5% vs. our sluggish 2.5% for the first half of 2010. Their stimulus package was about 10% of GDP. Are you starting to see a pattern? Oh, and I can GUARANTEE you they pay lower interest on their debt than Ireland. :boozer: :boozer: :boozer:


Sure there is a pattern, GDP doesnt mean anything when you throw borrowed money at it.

If I go and borrow $100,000 do I get to claim my income increased by $100,000? :roll:

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Wouldn't you say he inherited the worst financial crisis since 1929? This is what he gets for going with a measly stimulus package.

Obviously he didn't learn enough from the history books. Meanwhile, China's stimulus package was 13% of GDP vs. 4.9% of GDP in the US. Hmm, has anyone looked at China recently? Or how about Japan? They had a large stimulus package as well and growing at a brisk 5% vs. our sluggish 2.5% for the first half of 2010. Their stimulus package was about 10% of GDP. Are you starting to see a pattern? Oh, and I can GUARANTEE you they pay lower interest on their debt than Ireland. :boozer: :boozer: :boozer:

Guess what Jon.. Japans 5% is not sustainable: fact. Its very much driven by domestic subsidies for cars and such. That stimulus train is coming off the rails very soon too. Chinas second half is looking like a slowdown also.
And I said this before.. you spend too much time concentrating on cost of bond insurance instead looking at the big picture. Just like the Bloomberg guys that said everything was great on the eve of the crash. :boozer: :boozer:

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Guess what Jon.. Japans 5% is not sustainable: fact. Its very much driven by domestic subsidies for cars and such. That stimulus train is coming off the rails very soon too. Chinas second half is looking like a slowdown also.

The winding down of stimulus is its normal course, not an example of it slipping off the rails. It is, by definition, temporary and not supposed to be sustainable. The idea is wind down stimulus spending when private investments can fill in the gap. Though right now, there are no signs of private investment waiting to jump in. There is an excess in worker and manufacturing capacity so why would companies invest money to get more of what they already do not fully utilize? Hint: they won't. If you want to talk about sustainability, focus on jobs. Without jobs, no economic recovery will be sustainable because persisting high unemployment sucks the life out of the economy. The middle class is responsible for driving consumption. In the last recession of 2001, consumption only increased as a result of a property/construction bubble. Those days of easy credit are over. With corporations cutting investment, the government has to step in to fill the hole.

Americans (and I'm sure plenty all over the world) have been financially devastated by the financial crisis. 25% of Americans are experiencing "economic insecurity", meaning their income has fallen over 25% for more than a year & they blew through their retirement, 401(k), and savings. Rising health care costs (5-6% yearly inflation) are crushing Americans and increasingly making them more desperate. Like Speeder said, the middle class has been hollowed out over the last 30 years as good jobs were shipped overseas (60% of jobs now are in the "service industry") as a predatory financial system picked their pockets dry. The government has been more interested in enriching corporations, banks, and the wealthy more than it has focused on wages, cost/standard of living, or education. This is the result. I don't see us getting out of this ditch anytime soon. The rich alone cannot drive growth.

The stimulus packages needed to be much, much bigger. I think people have a tendency to overlook the severity of the crisis we are in. The ECRI (a leading indicator of recessions) dipped below a crucial threshold, virtually guaranteeing a double-dip in the US, as a recession has always proceeded a value below -10 on the scale. There is already talk about a double-dip in Europe following more austerity (what was the EU growth rate, like 0.1% lol). Gloomy times ahead, folks.

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And I said this before.. you spend too much time concentrating on cost of bond insurance instead looking at the big picture. Just like the Bloomberg guys that said everything was great on the eve of the crash. :boozer: :boozer:

What is Ireland's unemployment rate? Approaching 14% Japan: 5%. Japan's interest as % of GDP: 2. Yeah, they are heading for a cliff. :roll:

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gundamit wrote:
So essentially you agree with Cooper that Obama's defeat in the next election won't mean much since the hand up his butt will simply go into the next puppet?

Not exactly, a different group could come into power.

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What is Ireland's unemployment rate? Approaching 14% Japan: 5%. Japan's interest as % of GDP: 2. Yeah, they are heading for a cliff. :roll:


Srsly.. that 5% growth is well on its way to been evaporated as we speak. Its stimulus fluff that is going to evaporate. And while private money is still kept tight because of insecurity in the market caused by the very same stimulii, you're gonna see the double dip. Its as clear as day now. Japans interest .. but they can't get the banks to lend to their domestic consumers. LOL Wonder why? :biggrin:

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I am just glad no ones actually buys into that train of thought and made the stimulus bigger. Even with how liberal our current administration and Congress are, they know there is only so much wool they can pull over the American peoples eyes. Well most Americans that is, Jon will obviously buy into anything it seems.

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What is Ireland's unemployment rate? Approaching 14% Japan: 5%. Japan's interest as % of GDP: 2. Yeah, they are heading for a cliff. :roll:


Srsly.. that 5% growth is well on its way to been evaporated as we speak. Its stimulus fluff that is going to evaporate.

Stimulus should be pulled when there are clear signs the economy can grow on its own. Currently, we see none of those signs. As stimulus funds taper out in the US, consumer confidence & spending are falling and manufacturing growth is slowing down. States can't continue to rely on stimulus money to deal with their budget shortfalls in excess of $100 billion. To cope, job losses in the coming years will total 500,000 jobs. Most of those jobs, by the way, are in the private sector. This will only exacerbate the employment problem.

Which brings me to my point, which you seem to ignore. If private investment can create jobs, why can't public investment do the same? We are in a situation where corporations have zero incentive to invest (by hiring or building new spaces) because of excess capacity. Why invest more of what you already have and are not using? There is a corporate savings glut, currently they are sitting on $1.8 trillion of cash. Aggregate demand is falling and there is nothing the Fed can do because interests rates cannot go below zero. The last and only way to address this is through public investments via stimulus. It creates real jobs, reduces unemployment, and actually grows the economy. The numbers are not *fake*. It is real, honest-to-god growth, not some sort of hologram. If you want to look at what happens without a stimulus, take a look at Ireland and the sad state it is in. See the stark difference.

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And while private money is still kept tight because of insecurity in the market caused by the very same stimulii, you're gonna see the double dip.

Insecurity? Are you kidding me? One month after the stimulus passed, the market gained 76% in one year from its April 2009 lows. Now that the stimulus money is tapering out, there is indeed some uncertainty. Although, that is not what most investors seem to believe. Oh, and when Wall Street and the hedge funds start buying stocks, it is time to go in. These guys are the movers of the market. If there is uncertainty, that's an argument for more stimulus, not less. Also, I might add you neglect the effect Europe's troubles had on the market in the last three months.

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Its as clear as day now. Japans interest .. but they can't get the banks to lend to their domestic consumers. LOL Wonder why? :biggrin:


Now, now. We are talking about public financing, not household or individual financing. Totally unrelated, and I think you know that. ;)

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