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 Post subject: Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:58 am 
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Seems logical given that a majority of the public wants it ended as well.

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WASHINGTON — The nation’s top two Defense officials called on Tuesday for an end to the 16-year-old “don’t ask, don’t tell” law, a major step toward allowing openly gay men and women to serve in the United States military for the first time in its history.

“No matter how I look at the issue, I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens,” Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee. He said it was his personal belief that “allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly would be the right thing to do.”

But both Admiral Mullen and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates told the committee they needed more time to review how to carry out the change in policy, which requires an act of Congress, and predicted some disruption to the armed forces.

Admiral Mullen is the first sitting chairman of the Joint Chiefs to support a repeal of the policy. In 1993, Gen. Colin L. Powell, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the time, opposed allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly but supported “don’t ask, don’t tell” as the compromise passed by Congress. Under the policy, gay men and lesbians may serve as long as they keep their sexual orientation secret.

To lead a review of the policy, Mr. Gates appointed a civilian and a military officer: Jeh C. Johnson, the Pentagon’s top legal counsel, and Gen. Carter F. Ham, the commander of the United States Army in Europe. Pentagon officials said the review could take up to a year.

In the interim, Mr. Gates announced that the military was moving toward enforcing the existing policy “in a fairer manner” — a reference to the possibility that the Pentagon would no longer take action to discharge service members whose sexual orientation is revealed by third parties or jilted partners, one of the most onerous aspects of the law. Mr. Gates said he had asked the Pentagon to make a recommendation on the matter within 45 days, but “we believe that we have a degree of latitude within the existing law to change our internal procedures in a manner that is more appropriate and fair to our men and women in uniform.”

As the hearing opened, the committee’s chairman, Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, welcomed the abolition of the policy, saying it had never made sense to him. Its ranking Republican, Senator John McCain of Arizona, said that he was “deeply disappointed” and that the original rationale, endorsed by Congress in 1993, was as sound as ever.

On one thing, they agreed: many gay men and lesbians are serving honorably and effectively in the military today, despite a policy that has driven thousands of others out of the services. But Mr. Levin said the military should act in this matter as it has in others, as a force against discrimination. And Mr. McCain said the military culture was so different from civilian life that the rules for its members, too, must differ.

Mr. Levin cited an overwhelming view on the part of the public, as seen in polls, that the law should change. Mr. McCain said that a thousand retired admirals and generals had signed a petition against change, and that their views reflected the honest beliefs of military leaders as a whole, whatever Admiral Mullen’s personal view.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/us/po ... nted=print

Neil, I'll post a lengthy response to the GW thread when I have the chance. I am a bit busy at the moment but drop by to post interesting news items.

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 Post subject: Re: Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:45 pm 
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What about giving women equal rights too?!?

"Women are not permitted to serve on submarines or to participate in special forces programs such as Navy SEALs. Women enlisted soldiers are barred from serving in Infantry, Special Forces, Artillery and Armor."

I'm not sure where I stand on the issue itself... Yet as a whole I'm optimistic, if they end it that will hopefully lead to a decline in military enrollment, as most soldiers will subsequently have to watch their own backs. All joking aside, many military people I know/have met(my dad has worked for DoD 30+ years) are, ideologically, incredibly conservative.


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 Post subject: Re: Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
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Queers are bad enough in our society, we definitely don't need them in our military.

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 Post subject: Re: Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
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Ditch the politics and let them pass the training without any special treatment or favoritism and do the job at hand. easier said than done.. that's not really possible when it comes to people, there are always political motivated people in the chain of command turning the whole process into a personally motivated cluster fuk..

It's simple in theory: you do the training, pass the course and become part of the team and you're in. no bias or prejudice.
It's not so simple in politically motivated people dynamics. that's where it all falls apart. it's not the fact that they can't do the job or dont have the will to do it, it's the people sh1t that causes all the problems.

if it were only as simple as you pass or fail according to your ability to do the job on the team; this would have been a dead issue years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
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For the religious people.
From the book of Leviticus...
Unlawful Sexual Relations

18 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.

6 “ ‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

7 “ ‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

13 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “ ‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

16 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 “ ‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

19 “ ‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

20 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.

21 “ ‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificeda to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

22 “ ‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

23 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 “ ‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

29 “ ‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’ ”

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I am going to maintain my opinion regardless of what any fact-finding mission produces so it doesn't follow that I should waste any time in doing so.


George Orwell wrote:
Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place.


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 Post subject: Re: Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
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I notice you only bolded two of those axioms, deng. I suppose in South Carolina the rest of them are fair game, eh? :potstir:

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 Post subject: Re: Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:35 am 
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Jesus H Christ it's like 1 long instruction manual on who you can't have sex with....what a boner-kill! :crazy:

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Omastar wrote:
I notice you only bolded two of those axioms, deng. I suppose in South Carolina the rest of them are fair game, eh? :potstir:

I don't believe in any god.... I only post the bible stuff for christian crowd who often support things that their bible says are wrong.

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I am going to maintain my opinion regardless of what any fact-finding mission produces so it doesn't follow that I should waste any time in doing so.


George Orwell wrote:
Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place.


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Omastar wrote:
I notice you only bolded two of those axioms, deng. I suppose in South Carolina the rest of them are fair game, eh? :potstir:

I don't believe in any god.... I only post the bible stuff for christian crowd who often support things that their bible says are wrong.

What Christian Crowd?

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RIPTIDE wrote:
dengyong wrote:
I don't believe in any god.... I only post the bible stuff for christian crowd who often support things that their bible says are wrong.

What Christian Crowd?

No one in particular... just people in general who don't practice what they preach....
Like the missionaries who rush to haiti to save the haitians from their god. The ultimate goal is to be with their god, yet these missionaries don't want them there. :potstir:

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I am going to maintain my opinion regardless of what any fact-finding mission produces so it doesn't follow that I should waste any time in doing so.


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Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place.


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