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 Post subject: China Leading Race to Make Clean Energy
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:42 pm 
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TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.

China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

These efforts to dominate the global manufacture of renewable energy technologies raise the prospect that the West may someday trade its dependence on oil from the Mideast for a reliance on solar panels, wind turbines and other gear manufactured in China.

“Most of the energy equipment will carry a brass plate, ‘Made in China,’ ” said K. K. Chan, the chief executive of Nature Elements Capital, a private equity fund in Beijing that focuses on renewable energy.

President Obama, in his State of the Union speech last week, sounded an alarm that the United States was falling behind other countries, especially China, on energy. “I do not accept a future where the jobs and industries of tomorrow take root beyond our borders — and I know you don’t either,” he told Congress.

The United States and other countries are offering incentives to develop their own renewable energy industries, and Mr. Obama called for redoubling American efforts. Yet many Western and Chinese executives expect China to prevail in the energy-technology race.

Multinational corporations are responding to the rapid growth of China’s market by building big, state-of-the-art factories in China. Vestas of Denmark has just erected the world’s biggest wind turbine manufacturing complex here in northeastern China, and transferred the technology to build the latest electronic controls and generators.

“You have to move fast with the market,” said Jens Tommerup, the president of Vestas China. “Nobody has ever seen such fast development in a wind market.”

Renewable energy industries here are adding jobs rapidly, reaching 1.12 million in 2008 and climbing by 100,000 a year, according to the government-backed Chinese Renewable Energy Industries Association.

Yet renewable energy may be doing more for China’s economy than for the environment. Total power generation in China is on track to pass the United States in 2012 — and most of the added capacity will still be from coal.

China intends for wind, solar and biomass energy to represent 8 percent of its electricity generation capacity by 2020. That compares with less than 4 percent now in China and the United States. Coal will still represent two-thirds of China’s capacity in 2020, and nuclear and hydropower most of the rest.

As China seeks to dominate energy-equipment exports, it has the advantage of being the world’s largest market for power equipment. The government spends heavily to upgrade the electricity grid, committing $45 billion in 2009 alone. State-owned banks provide generous financing.

China’s top leaders are intensely focused on energy policy: on Wednesday, the government announced the creation of a National Energy Commission composed of cabinet ministers as a “superministry” led by Prime Minister Wen Jiabao himself.


If you liked buying energy from Saudi Arabia, then you are gonna LOVE buying energy from China!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/busin ... ew.html?hp

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 Post subject: Re: China Leading Race to Make Clean Energy
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:05 pm 
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TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.

China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

These efforts to dominate the global manufacture of renewable energy technologies raise the prospect that the West may someday trade its dependence on oil from the Mideast for a reliance on solar panels, wind turbines and other gear manufactured in China.

“Most of the energy equipment will carry a brass plate, ‘Made in China,’ ” said K. K. Chan, the chief executive of Nature Elements Capital, a private equity fund in Beijing that focuses on renewable energy.

President Obama, in his State of the Union speech last week, sounded an alarm that the United States was falling behind other countries, especially China, on energy. “I do not accept a future where the jobs and industries of tomorrow take root beyond our borders — and I know you don’t either,” he told Congress.

The United States and other countries are offering incentives to develop their own renewable energy industries, and Mr. Obama called for redoubling American efforts. Yet many Western and Chinese executives expect China to prevail in the energy-technology race.

Multinational corporations are responding to the rapid growth of China’s market by building big, state-of-the-art factories in China. Vestas of Denmark has just erected the world’s biggest wind turbine manufacturing complex here in northeastern China, and transferred the technology to build the latest electronic controls and generators.

“You have to move fast with the market,” said Jens Tommerup, the president of Vestas China. “Nobody has ever seen such fast development in a wind market.”

Renewable energy industries here are adding jobs rapidly, reaching 1.12 million in 2008 and climbing by 100,000 a year, according to the government-backed Chinese Renewable Energy Industries Association.

Yet renewable energy may be doing more for China’s economy than for the environment. Total power generation in China is on track to pass the United States in 2012 — and most of the added capacity will still be from coal.

China intends for wind, solar and biomass energy to represent 8 percent of its electricity generation capacity by 2020. That compares with less than 4 percent now in China and the United States. Coal will still represent two-thirds of China’s capacity in 2020, and nuclear and hydropower most of the rest.

As China seeks to dominate energy-equipment exports, it has the advantage of being the world’s largest market for power equipment. The government spends heavily to upgrade the electricity grid, committing $45 billion in 2009 alone. State-owned banks provide generous financing.

China’s top leaders are intensely focused on energy policy: on Wednesday, the government announced the creation of a National Energy Commission composed of cabinet ministers as a “superministry” led by Prime Minister Wen Jiabao himself.


If you liked buying energy from Saudi Arabia, then you are gonna LOVE buying energy from China!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/busin ... ew.html?hp

Jon. How are we going to buy "energy" from China? America gets most of its oil from Canada and Domestic, as it stands and the remainder from ME. Correct me if I'm wrong... but thats how I understood it. Yurp gets most of its oil from North Sea, ME and Russia and various smaller fields in Europe.

You are misinterpreting buying energy with buying "energy-equipment". Most manufactured goods now come from CHina, so why the big :willynilly: about even more manufactured goods. FAIL?

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 Post subject: Re: China Leading Race to Make Clean Energy
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:36 pm 
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No! They are going to be putting energy into really big batteries and then shipping them over, and we are then going to hook these up to the grid to run off of. And when they get low we will have to buy more.

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What you are arguing for is bringing manufacturing back to America. Something that we the people have been asking for, for a long time. Instead what do we get? NAFTA.

You think raising taxes on small and large business's is going to bring those jobs back? :crazy: You think cap and trade is going to bring those jobs back :crazy:

This whole green thing is nothing more than fabricating a new 'market'. Not a bad idea, but you dumb asses trusted our politicians to get it done. Instead they handed it to China. :gj:

Cut corporate tax to 0. Give incentives to be clean. Give incentives to build renewable energy. Pay for the education of people who enter these fields.

Problem solved.

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 Post subject: Re: China Leading Race to Make Clean Energy
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:32 pm 
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How are they going to sell something they don't have? :doh:

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 Post subject: Re: China Leading Race to Make Clean Energy
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:52 pm 
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lol Farce.

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