XtremeSpeakFreely

I already apologized for being on a soap box deng... and I already admitted to having a bit of a breakdown concerning opinions at xsf. If you'll agree to leave it at that, I'm willing to put this whole thing to bed and not push it farther than it already has gone. fair enough? sorry if I got on my soapbox again. I say let's bury the hatchet and say we've both experienced some different things in our lives, and so be it. There's not much use in pulling out guns and firing at each other. It's obvious we've both had some things, that god forbid should not be brought out in a public forum. I know mine run pretty deep, and have been told not to discuss them in public. I can imagine you've the same. so what do you say? what's done is done and leave all the crap behind? seems to me and you and I have nothing to argue about anyway, except for soapbox s***. so why continue, especially when some of the stuff should not be discussed on a public forum. capiche...

I completely agree.

that's why I really don't blame some cops for carrying throw downs. is it right? NO..

but I respect the ones that are good, the right to protect themselves and their brothers in arms. so I wont pass judgment on them until they prove they are actually crooked. It is what it is. Internet opinions wont change the reality of the situation. Some here have the opinion that all cops are pigs. And I'm sure there are many cops who serve honestly in their day to day underpaid job, who never sway from the true job of "protect and serve"... yet are judged, criticized, and chastised by certain people who think they are pigs. yet they go on doing their underpaid job and do their duty.

if in this fk'ed up society they need to have an insurance policy, then so be it. it doesn't make them pigs, unless they prove to be pigs. there is no reason to cast that judgment, unless the individual has actually done wrong.

the same can be said for crooked cops who fly under the radar and get away with all sorts of misdeeds, then get busted. If they are crooked they will eventually get busted. They deserve to have their badge removed and be prosecuted.. but it's not our place to label all cops as crooked. I guess that is what irritates me most about some of the previous comments. Dengyong and riptide seem to think "ALL COPS ARE CROOKED PIGS".. and tbh, they can have their ignorant biased opinion, whatever it may be based on. they still haven't made that clear with examples or fact, other than internet opinion.

but I have known quite a few cops, and tbh most of them were good honest guys trying to make do in a fk'd up world. I would trust most of them with my life in a crisis situation. I can't say the same for the people I know at xsf.

I dont really think most cops are pigs, I think they are given more authority than needed though. They should have no more rights than any other citizen.

Of course I believe that all officers should be a part of the sheriffs department, and should have public oversight. Including the public deciding that an officer is no longer fit to serve. They should be another form of government, and subject to those who they govern. No person in government should just be hired.

That is an interesting thought, and I am in agreement.......but what do we do with the jerkoffs that have been elected and can't lead a pack of sheep?

Blame the people who elected them.

I do......people that buy snake oil deserve what they get......but the innocent have to deal with the sorryass leadership[lack of] too.

40 years ago, if the police came and beat the shyte out of your neighbor and threw him in the patty wagon, most people would have rushed over to find out what's going on and why their neighbor is being beaten.

Today people just look out the window and say "he must have done something really bad", and make a video to put on youtube.

People don't stick together any more. As long as they got theirs it's F*ck everyone else.

Ya liked that one eh ?... I never knew patty was a wais.

Ya liked that one eh ?... I never knew patty was a wais.

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The Patty Wagon is also known as Black Maria. Blacks in Charleston refered to it as Black Lucy. It was said that back in the 1930's when it was heard coming down the streets, blacks would immediately hide because if the police could't find who they looking for, they would take the first black person they could catch.

The Patty Wagon was first used by the British when they would transport Irish prisoners in the wagons and they would refer to them as "patties", short for St Patricks. The term was very derrogative to them. The Wagon was particularly busy after July of 1822. Following Denmark Vesey's insurrection, free black sailors were not allowed to roam the streets of Charleston like they once did. They were transported from their ships to the Whipping House by Black Maria until their ships were ready to leave port.