XtremeSpeakFreely

yeah, that's how it works...

this thread is like watching virgins going to prom...

'Freeze I've got a loaded gun'
Any experienced criminal will return fire. These are often experienced thugs, I don't like to take my chances in a life or dead situation. Take your gun and shoot or don't and call the cops.

I didn't say it would be a happy, fun time where punch and cake are served. What I said is that it's legal...and it is. Of course you'll have to jump through hoops, and a jury can do anything they want to. You could go to prison even though you broke no law. They're all idiots.

Burglary checks out against your list automatically. When in that situation, there is no reason to bust out a checklist. But, let's go down it just so there is no mistaking the interpretation.

In general, one (sometimes more) of a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:

* PASS An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied home, business or car.
* PASS The intruder must be acting illegally—e.g. the Castle Doctrine does not give the right to attack officers of the law acting in the course of their legal duties
* The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home
* PASS The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglary
* PASS The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force
* Not Applicable in Texas's Version The occupant(s) of the home may be required to attempt to exit the house or otherwise retreat (this is called the "Duty to retreat" and most self-defense statutes referred to as examples of "Castle Doctrine" expressly state that the homeowner has no such duty)

PASS In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home must be there legally, must not be fugitives from the law, must not be using the Castle Doctrine to aid or abet another person in being a fugitive from the law, and must not use deadly force upon an officer of the law or an officer of the peace while they are performing or attempting to perform their legal duties.

It clearly holds up in the given scenario. Also, don't try to paint anyone who backs the clearly intended effect of this law as some kind of gun nut fawning over the chance to shoot somebody. It's an inaccurate generalization and does nothing to promote your view or character.

For the win right there.

Don't take this personal Mike, but cops having throw downs is pretty F*** up. That sounds like a real pig thing to be doing. If they need throw downs, my guess is that they are crooked F*** pigs that shouldn't be cops.

Spot on.

I didn't take it personally. and I never said I completely agreed with it or that it's legal.. though I do understand it for some of these guys that work in crime infested areas. can you imagine doing that job and getting in a gun battle with a gang, you shoot one of the shooters,, then one of his buddies picks up the gun and escapes. then the battle is over and you have a dead gang member with no gun.. be prepared to be sued by the gang's family in a civil suit, and probably lose your job and repuation.. just because of the fk'd up way it went down. Whether you want to believe it or not, cops protect each other in these situations. so if you want to pass judgement on a straight cop who carries a throwdown, but never has to use it. then by all means, have your internet opinion. but it doesn't change reality or make the cop crooked. except in your eyes and your internet opinion. sure there are plenty of crooked cops, but just because they carry an insurance policy doesn't mean they are a "crooked fk'in pig!" as yall so delicately put.

gotta love all the judgmental internet opinions at xsf

The majority of cops are crooked and that's a fact.

Nice edit
Guess the "home of the hypocrites" was a bit too much?

still applies, but I'll keep my opinions to myself... unlike some of the crap that floats to the surface around here.

So we shouldn't give our opinions on this forum, called "xtremespeakfreely".

No you don't... you give your opinion and then follow up with "I'll keep my opinions to myself" what's the difference ?
No one's asking you to keep your opinion to yourself... the name of this forum is speak freely so say your piece.

Get over the god complex and snap back to reality.

I didn't type this with anger, so try not to read it with anger.

see.. that's exactly what I'm talking about. where did you infer that from? you're just starting s***.. just because you can, you'll infer things that I never said and turn it into your little crusade of crap.

I'm about done with xsf again.. I hadn't been reading too much here, as soon as I do I see what kind of place it really is and really dont want to be any part of it. I'll just say good bye and let charlie handle maintaining backups and whatever else needs to be done. I really have no place here other than the tech end of it, it's not really my cup of tea as far as a forum goes...

Man, you're getting way too upset with all this.
Stop acting so condescending and just join the debate. We all just want to discuss topics that interest us, there's no need to turn this into a fight. You're not taking this personal, you say? Home of hypocrites I guess...
Seriously, I like your contributions to this forum, just don't start patronizing and get upset when we call you out on it.

I like mikeb12's contributions too but if he opts out for because the aggravation/fun ratio is not quite where he wants it to be, he's free to leave. That seems to be the trend overall. Daily post counts seem to be down overall.

no hard feelings... I just don't much get into the xsf atmosphere anymore... plus the site has really slowed down in the past couple months. there's only a few that visit regularly..

the main thing I think is sometimes we have enough crap in our personal lives to deal with... and when that is going on, free debate and reading about opinionated conflict on the internet feels like a chore we really could do without sometimes.. when that happens, it's best to just turn the other cheek, and walk away from it. and that's what my gut is telling me to do concerning my involvement at this site. It's not any blame on yall, I think I blame the atmosphere more than anything else and how I interpret it. if it's not enjoyable, and we aren't being paid like in a job, why do it.

Ya, but you know where that can lead. If the cop screws up and shoots unarmed people by mistake... they got the throwdown. If the throwdown reason is there to save his ass in the example you gave.... it'll be there to save his ass in the example I'm giving also.... shooting by accident. Also, is the cops word not stronger in a court of law when he says he was shooting an armed gang member? This is Texas right?

Here in Ireland, Cops word > Person with criminal past,..word


I'm not going to start adressing the other things... I told you not to take it personal. So don't.

that's a good way to get dismissed from jury duty in the US. I was in a jury selection for a intent to sell case. Black lady and a cop. They asked if anyone was pro law enforcement, I raised my hand along with a dozen or so others. They called our numbers after the questions were done and said, you are not being sequestered. you're dismissed. that was the only question I raised my hand on. obviously they (Harris County Texas Court) didn't want anyone on the jury with the attitude of "Cops word > Person with criminal past,..word". so I gladly went home and had a free day off work, and was home by noon.

The problem in our country is a Cops word is < than anyone being accused.

I completely agree.

that's why I really don't blame some cops for carrying throw downs. is it right? NO..

but I respect the ones that are good, the right to protect themselves and their brothers in arms. so I wont pass judgment on them until they prove they are actually crooked. It is what it is. Internet opinions wont change the reality of the situation. Some here have the opinion that all cops are pigs. And I'm sure there are many cops who serve honestly in their day to day underpaid job, who never sway from the true job of "protect and serve"... yet are judged, criticized, and chastised by certain people who think they are pigs. yet they go on doing their underpaid job and do their duty.

if in this fk'ed up society they need to have an insurance policy, then so be it. it doesn't make them pigs, unless they prove to be pigs. there is no reason to cast that judgment, unless the individual has actually done wrong.

the same can be said for crooked cops who fly under the radar and get away with all sorts of misdeeds, then get busted. If they are crooked they will eventually get busted. They deserve to have their badge removed and be prosecuted.. but it's not our place to label all cops as crooked. I guess that is what irritates me most about some of the previous comments. Dengyong and riptide seem to think "ALL COPS ARE CROOKED PIGS".. and tbh, they can have their ignorant biased opinion, whatever it may be based on. they still haven't made that clear with examples or fact, other than internet opinion.

but I have known quite a few cops, and tbh most of them were good honest guys trying to make do in a fk'd up world. I would trust most of them with my life in a crisis situation. I can't say the same for the people I know at xsf.

I dont really think most cops are pigs, I think they are given more authority than needed though. They should have no more rights than any other citizen.

Of course I believe that all officers should be a part of the sheriffs department, and should have public oversight. Including the public deciding that an officer is no longer fit to serve. They should be another form of government, and subject to those who they govern. No person in government should just be hired.

I wasn't directing my comments to you AB, besides the "I agree" comment.
Sorry, I was on my soapbox again, based on other comments in this thread. I should let it go, like I previously said. maybe I have an addiction to xsf, and need to attend dr. drew's rehab class.

Your opinion is the ignorant one in this case, but you'll never be convinced because you know it all and everyone else in the world is a dumb ass, unless they're a cop.
Our entire judicial system is f*ed up and corrupt and cops are a large part of it. If you join a gang that robs citizens but haven't yet robbed one yourself, you are still guilty by association.
I've watched cops, judges and lawyers get together and workout what's going to happen before they ever go into court... I mean that literally and not just once or twice.
I have ex cops working for me now in a different profession that say the same goes on in the towns they were from.
I can also tell you that all traffic cops have quotas and will receive disciplinary action if they aren't filled. They won't admit it to the public, but it's a fact.
Cops are also far from under paid when you tally their whole package.
I could go on and on but I know in this case it falls on deaf ears since you either have a family member that's a cop or just know one.
Now have your rant, point your finger and threaten to quit as usual, it's everyone elses fault.

I already apologized for being on a soap box deng... and I already admitted to having a bit of a breakdown concerning opinions at xsf. If you'll agree to leave it at that, I'm willing to put this whole thing to bed and not push it farther than it already has gone. fair enough? sorry if I got on my soapbox again. I say let's bury the hatchet and say we've both experienced some different things in our lives, and so be it. There's not much use in pulling out guns and firing at each other. It's obvious we've both had some things, that god forbid should not be brought out in a public forum. I know mine run pretty deep, and have been told not to discuss them in public. I can imagine you've the same. so what do you say? what's done is done and leave all the crap behind? seems to me and you and I have nothing to argue about anyway, except for soapbox s***. so why continue, especially when some of the stuff should not be discussed on a public forum. capiche...

Fair enough.