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 Post subject: An interesting thread on XS re: Sidewinders & RealRareRetard
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What is this about ?

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Yeah, fill us in!

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Red shilled Sidewinder Computers, Jab-Tech, and Bitspower while bad mouthing every other company and vendor for a while, about a year ago. XS staff asked him to stop, and he did for 2 weeks. The ban hammer was swung, and he spawned his own site, his username with .com at the end. I left it out so this site wouldn't turn up in a google search. I bet you guys can figure it out. ;) He's a bit of a narcissist, so he would search for himself on google.

His site was spawned, without rules or reason. Blatant KKK support, anti-Jewish hate speech, and in general, anti-non-white hate speech there.

There's a sub-forum on there that supposedly has Fugger's, half a dozen XS admin/mods, and half a dozen watercooling forum regulars' home addresses, phone numbers, email addresses and credit card numbers in it. They (Red minions) follow those users to new sites they register to and harass them there.

iandh, a maker of reservoirs and other custom stuff, had the best response to them publicly showing his address. Read the last line in his post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... tcount=176

That's the story in a nut shell.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting thread on XS re: Sidewinders & RealRareRetard
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^^ Tom's got the gist of it.

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I've never been on the offensive site (rrr) and I really disliked the rrr person when he was at XS. I only recommended swc because I've always received great service from them. I can see the XS staff's point. :-|

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I think he's saying you got the gist of it Tom.. XS staff isn't really getting into the nitty gritty details concerning the issue in the past yr. so I dont expect Neil to either in public.. maybe a PM...

I'm not fully versed on the whole deal either, other than to say it's a bunch of BS and drama. I never understood why the WC section had some users that thrived on emo drama.

always made me glad I'm a air cooled MF'er. :D

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I had a Xigmatek HDT-S1283. I've since moved to watercooling.

Nothing beats the EK Supreme HF. I got a nickel-acetal version.

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Looks like Red and his minions really did go through with their rumored DoS attack on XS. :roll:

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Looks like Red and his minions really did go through with their rumored DoS attack on XS. :roll:

When did this happen, how does that work and isn't it illegal ?

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XS was down when I posted that. A DoS attack is illegal, yes, and a federal offence. If someone thinks they're the victim of a DoS attack, they're told to call the FBI.

It was a rumor I think that Red and his minions were going to DoS attack XS. I do not know if XS being down was a result of it or not. I'm betting XS was down for maintenance or some other thing.

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XS is so often down, it's hard to tell.

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You have some misinformation here. As a (rather civil) member of RRT, let me try to clear some up.

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Red shilled Sidewinder Computers, Jab-Tech, and Bitspower while bad mouthing every other company and vendor for a while, about a year ago. XS staff asked him to stop, and he did for 2 weeks. The ban hammer was swung, and he spawned his own site, his username with .com at the end. I left it out so this site wouldn't turn up in a google search. I bet you guys can figure it out. ;) He's a bit of a narcissist, so he would search for himself on google.


Google found you anyway.

Red is an LC fanatic. His best experiences have been with Sidewinder and Jab-Tech. Naturally he would promote them. His one personal bad experience, that I'm aware of, was with Performance-PCS. He was vocal about the experience. As for bad mouthing every other company and vendor, that is a gross exaggeration. FrozenCPU and Performance-PCS are the two primary vendors Red has campaigned against. As for companies, I can't think of any. There was of course the bout with Primochill over their faulty T3 reservoir, Skinnee's heinous testing of said reservoir, and the XtremeSystems senior staff's questionable support of it. That doesn't stop Red from using and speaking highly of PrimoFlex Pro LRT tubing; a different product of Primochill. There was AquaTuning of course, but Red isn't alone in that campaign; half the internet was up in arms over their fraudulent business practices. Other than that, it has been individuals, not companies, that have drawn Red's fire.

Myself, I love Sidewinders and Jab-Tech. But I also love Caseking.de, IT-Service.be, Angela.pl, and ChilledPC.co.uk. Performance-PCS has twice shipped me the wrong products, so I no longer deal with them at all. When there's an ocean involved, time and money add up fast, so I expect accuracy in my orders.

Red was banned from XtremeSystems because he refused to sit down and shut up, as he was told to do. Thus began his vendetta (and that's what it is) against the XtremeSystems senior staff. It has at times been a very vulgar exchange, and those exchanges have been propagated by others who feel as strongly as Red on a number of issues. The vendetta might have died out by now if XtremeSystems would just stop providing fuel for the fire.

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His site was spawned, without rules or reason. Blatant KKK support, anti-Jewish hate speech, and in general, anti-non-white hate speech there.


All I can say to this is, "wow". Where are you getting this?

The rules of RRT:
Rule #1 - Anything goes... (other than Personal Attacks, Continuous Flaming, Spamming, Registration of More Than One Account, Sexually Explicit Pics, Discussion of Sexual Crimes, Discussion of Criminal Activity/Enterprises, Mentioning of Illegal Drugs, Spam Attacks on Other Sites, DDOS Attacks, TROLLING and Inappropriate User Names)
Rule #2 - NO ES CPU SALES OR MENTION OF USE, PERIOD...
Rule #3 - No soliciting of Sponsorship on this forum from Preferred Vendors of this forum. No linking to Non-Preferred Vendors. No For Sale or For Trade threads or posts, outside of FS / FT sub-forum.

First, the site has rules like any other. Second, it's a place beyond XtremeSystems to discuss water cooling and life in general without fear of moderation. But the site is not for children, or emotionally sensitive types. Dialogues are blunt, with no regard for feelings, often containing a litany of vulgar speech. But racist? You've got to be kidding me.

Blatant KKK support? Some of the key members, including some staff, are african-american. Red himself is a white, rap-loving God-fearing Texan in the construction industry (so he's rude, that's for certain). This isn't the 1950s though. The type of racism you're talking about just does not exist in him. Anti-jewish? What makes the jewish populace so special? They have as much right to be insulted as the rest of the religious rainbow. The deal is: RRT does not do sensitivity. If you're easily offended, RRT is NOT the place to be. If someone thinks your religion is stupid, they have the right to say so. It isn't a kindergarten. I am very much anti-christian. I have been at odds with Red on numerous occasions. But it's just religion. It's only when you start getting personal that there's a problem.

RRT is multinational and multicultural. Stereotypes are funny. Political Correctness is BS. But racism? Hate? Absurd.

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There's a sub-forum on there that supposedly has Fugger's, half a dozen XS admin/mods, and half a dozen watercooling forum regulars' home addresses, phone numbers, email addresses and credit card numbers in it. They (Red minions) follow those users to new sites they register to and harass them there.


Wrong. The information is limited to home addresses and real names, and exists in no single forum. It is spread out in random threads, on an individual basis. I have been a member for two years, and never have I seen any email addresses, phone numbers, or credit card numbers.

The names and addresses listed are typically those of known scammers -- lowlifes who have conned others out of money or hardware through fake FS/WTB threads. Scumbags who truly deserve to be tracked down and beaten. I do think Fugger's name and address are on the forum somewhere, but it's unrelated, and that isn't exactly privileged information. Anyone can dig it up.

RRT members do not stalk people across the web. There have however been two instances of forum raiding, where members have signed up at a site just to troll an existing member of that site (see "Ira-K" at OCN).

And, anyone who's ever done business with Ian has his address. I personally had a good experience with Ian, so I harbor no negativity towards him.

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Looks like Red and his minions really did go through with their rumored DoS attack on XS.


Most of RRT's members don't have the knowledge or interest required to engage in DDoS attacks. Those who do are too few. There has been nothing malicious there, nor any discussion of such actions; XtremeSystems is simply prone to server outages. Seriously, that's all there is to it. The outages do provide for some slight amusement for Red whenever they occur though. Wherever you heard the rumor, it was probably just paranoia.


And finally, the question of Sidewinder's involvement with RRT which has been the latest thing.
RRT is a water cooling forum. Sidewinder is a water cooling vendor. A subforum was created for Sidewinder, like many other vendors on many other forums, where people can ask questions regarding water cooling products sold by a vendor/manufacturer. This hardly qualifies as endorsement or support for RRT on behalf of Sidewinder. Sidewinder also have no active participation in advertisement of Sidewinder at RRT. The banner you see in the upper portion of the site is NOT sanctioned by Sidewinder. Nor does the banner belong to Sidewinder. It is a similarly-themed logo created by RRT and linked to Sidewinder. The "New Products" subforum for Sidewinder is simply the automated process of an ordinary RSS crawler. Again, no involvement on Sidewinder's part.

The same goes for Bitspower and Jab-Tech. There have never been any advertisers at RRT. Red pays for the hosting and bandwidth himself, such is his loathing and contempt for XtremeSystems.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting thread on XS re: Sidewinders & RealRareRetard
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Red was banned from XtremeSystems because he refused to sit down and shut up, as he was told to do. Thus began his vendetta (and that's what it is) against the XtremeSystems senior staff. It has at times been a very vulgar exchange, and those exchanges have been propagated by others who feel as strongly as Red on a number of issues. The vendetta might have died out by now if XtremeSystems would just stop providing fuel for the fire.

The rest of your post is horsehyte, but this I'll dwell on.

He wasn't banned for refusing to "sit down and shut up". he was banned for a number of reasons, but one of them was for been a shill. Making WC logs that never get finished and bumping up certain vendors threads. (Has he ever actually finished a build?)

There was also the other matter. His inner circle were all a bunch of traitors and rejects (why wouldn't they be, they were banned from XS for good reasons). They sold him out... a lot of them were passing screens to anyone who would listen.... and at the same time (literally....) was back posting on Real Rare Retards how bad XS was :P How fcking bad is that? Anyway, info came through and was sighted, about agreements between vendors.... The hammer fell.
I don't know what shyte storm RRR told you...

BTW hows IanY getting along? RRR's best buddy on XS, then gets shafted after a month? LMFAO. he sure knew how to pick them.

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All I can say to this is, "wow". Where are you getting this?

The rules of RRT:
Rule #1 - Anything goes... (other than Personal Attacks, Continuous Flaming, Spamming, Registration of More Than One Account, Sexually Explicit Pics, Discussion of Sexual Crimes, Discussion of Criminal Activity/Enterprises, Mentioning of Illegal Drugs, Spam Attacks on Other Sites, DDOS Attacks, TROLLING and Inappropriate User Names)
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Rule #3 - No soliciting of Sponsorship on this forum from Preferred Vendors of this forum. No linking to Non-Preferred Vendors. No For Sale or For Trade threads or posts, outside of FS / FT sub-forum.


http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=29250
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=10135
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=30716
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=12252
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=29603
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... d.php?t=27

Funny. You must be a f*cking moron to not see that those threads violate rule number 1. You probably have to be logged in to see those.

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The rest of your post is horsehyte, but this I'll dwell on.

He wasn't banned for refusing to "sit down and shut up". he was banned for a number of reasons, but one of them was for been a shill. Making WC logs that never get finished and bumping up certain vendors threads. (Has he ever actually finished a build?)

There was also the other matter. His inner circle were all a bunch of traitors and rejects (why wouldn't they be, they were banned from XS for good reasons). They sold him out... a lot of them were passing screens to anyone who would listen.... and at the same time (literally....) was back posting on Real Rare Retards how bad XS was :P How fcking bad is that? Anyway, info came through and was sighted, about agreements between vendors.... The hammer fell.
I don't know what shyte storm RRR told you...

BTW hows IanY getting along? RRR's best buddy on XS, then gets shafted after a month? LMFAO. he sure knew how to pick them.


"Horsehyte"? This is your argument? I must conclude from this careless, generalized summary that you have no credible arguments to make. Such is life. Enjoy your Kool-Aid.

As for Red's builds, as far as I am aware he has only ever completed benches, and I don't consider benches to be genuine builds in any way. So, no.

And I don't know IanY, so I can't contemplate Red's past or present relationship to him.


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All I can say to this is, "wow". Where are you getting this?

The rules of RRT:
Rule #1 - Anything goes... (other than Personal Attacks, Continuous Flaming, Spamming, Registration of More Than One Account, Sexually Explicit Pics, Discussion of Sexual Crimes, Discussion of Criminal Activity/Enterprises, Mentioning of Illegal Drugs, Spam Attacks on Other Sites, DDOS Attacks, TROLLING and Inappropriate User Names)
Rule #2 - NO ES CPU SALES OR MENTION OF USE, PERIOD...
Rule #3 - No soliciting of Sponsorship on this forum from Preferred Vendors of this forum. No linking to Non-Preferred Vendors. No For Sale or For Trade threads or posts, outside of FS / FT sub-forum.


http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=29250
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=10135
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=30716
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=12252
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... hp?t=29603
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... d.php?t=27

Funny. You must be a f*cking moron to not see that those threads violate rule number 1. You probably have to be logged in to see those.


Meh. I'm not staff, and therefore am not responsible for enforcing RRT's rules. I can offer my opinion though.

Link #1 - The falling out between DarthBeavis and Red occurred during the T3 fiasco. Tongue-in-cheek jabs quickly escalated into inane threats of physical confrontation between the two. This does violate Rule #1.
Link #2 - I'm not sure you intended to link to this thread. If intentional, I think I have to state that RRT's rules only apply to people. See this thread: http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/ ... php?t=6538
Link #3 - Another DarthBeavis roast. Takes place after link #1.
Link #4 - DarthBeavis and Naekuh are no longer active members of the forum, not certain that rules apply.
Link #5 - Been removed. No idea what the thread was, so no comment.
Link #6 - A long-dead thread of various people hating on XtremeSystems. Not sure how it applies.


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"Horsehyte"? This is your argument? I must conclude from this careless, generalized summary that you have no credible arguments to make. Such is life. Enjoy your Kool-Aid.

As for Red's builds, as far as I am aware he has only ever completed benches, and I don't consider benches to be genuine builds in any way. So, no.

And I don't know IanY, so I can't contemplate Red's past or present relationship to him.


Yes. He has never completed any WC builds. If you didn't know IanY then you're missing out on the early days. So I can't blame you if you don't have a clue. He was another can of shyte and was RRR's brother in arms.

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I remember IanY. I thought he was a friendly guy, what he do?

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I remember IanY. I thought he was a friendly guy, what he do?

He ended up telling a few whoppers too many. he used to brag about his cars and his friends cars. On XS He started a thread talking about his friends Ferrari. People started asking questions. Then he deleted it. So, one of the guys on the mod team looked at the date stamp and name of the file he had attached. A quick google search found the same photo posted by a German guy in a German car forum. lol.. OWN3D

Another time he posted about a rich guys garage which was full of cars. He stated his 1st name and his profession. Small world as it is... one of the guys came out and said 'actually the guys name isn't Tom, its John, and he's not in real estate, and I was in his garage 2 weeks ago'... <sort of answer>. OWN3D completely.

On RRR IIRC what was visible at least was IanY rambling on about Iwaki RD30 pumps and how he knew guys in the Distributors place in New England somewhere. On the RRR forums some of the guys found out with a bit of back work that he was telling lies again, and off he went. :P :P

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"you canz takes za dramaz out of za internetz, but you can't take za humanz out of za dramaz."

"so by simple deduction, za internetz always haz za dramaz". :popcorn:

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What kind of sad, demented person would go to such lengths for internet sycophants? And mike, are you on Vicoden again? ;)

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This thread hath brought the lulz. :ganjaman:

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